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		<title>By: Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just purchased a Nitron 2 weeks ago and ran my first 50 rounds of Remington FMJ  through it last week.  Had zero FTF or FTE.  Everything went perfectly on all 50 rounds.  Only moderate recoil and I was able to group within 6&quot; at 10ft and 20ft.  Mine is the 3rd generation with the updated mag, spring etc.  The feel and balance is prefect in my hand.  While a bit on the expensive side and slightly over my intended budget, it&#039;s working out to be my ideal carry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just purchased a Nitron 2 weeks ago and ran my first 50 rounds of Remington FMJ  through it last week.  Had zero FTF or FTE.  Everything went perfectly on all 50 rounds.  Only moderate recoil and I was able to group within 6&#8243; at 10ft and 20ft.  Mine is the 3rd generation with the updated mag, spring etc.  The feel and balance is prefect in my hand.  While a bit on the expensive side and slightly over my intended budget, it&#8217;s working out to be my ideal carry.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike (again)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike (again)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 20:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P238 has improved over time with shooting and cleaning. Only one FTF in 70 rounds.


NOTICE: there is a modification in the *recoil spring*. I just spoke with SS and they are sending me a new spring free of charge. They will want to know the serial number. The nice lady said the new spring should be good for 1500 rounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P238 has improved over time with shooting and cleaning. Only one FTF in 70 rounds.</p>
<p>NOTICE: there is a modification in the *recoil spring*. I just spoke with SS and they are sending me a new spring free of charge. They will want to know the serial number. The nice lady said the new spring should be good for 1500 rounds.</p>
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		<title>By: marvin donnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>marvin donnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 02:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just purchased a p-238 Nitron (black on black) and this little pistol is phenomenal for accuracy and for overall operation. I highly recommend this for anyone searching for a good carry weapon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just purchased a p-238 Nitron (black on black) and this little pistol is phenomenal for accuracy and for overall operation. I highly recommend this for anyone searching for a good carry weapon.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The stay open gun is fixed.  After 2 more boxes of ammo and one last check by the smith, it has stopped doing it unless it gets hot.  If I shoot it rapidly until it gets very hot it will still do it now and then. I can accept that.  

I am going to run another few boxes through it just to make sure and to get a little more wear on it, then phase it in as my pocket carry gun if it continues to be reliable.

I may check back in on the half-cocked one, but if it keeps doing it I will have the smith do his thing to it and its not too useful to keep saying &quot;he polished something or other&quot;, which unfortunately is all the info I have about the fix for these problems.

Its possible, even likely that these issues could just be &quot;shot out&quot; over time by running a lot of ammo thru them for an extended break in period.  But the smith works at the place that sold them to me and does not charge for stuff we buy there (at least while it is still newish), and thats a lot cheaper than 1000 rounds of 380.

Now that it works, its a very, very good gun and highly recommended. Just be sure if you get one to get it working reliably before you carry it(as you would hopefully do with any new gun that you trust your life to).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stay open gun is fixed.  After 2 more boxes of ammo and one last check by the smith, it has stopped doing it unless it gets hot.  If I shoot it rapidly until it gets very hot it will still do it now and then. I can accept that.  </p>
<p>I am going to run another few boxes through it just to make sure and to get a little more wear on it, then phase it in as my pocket carry gun if it continues to be reliable.</p>
<p>I may check back in on the half-cocked one, but if it keeps doing it I will have the smith do his thing to it and its not too useful to keep saying &#8220;he polished something or other&#8221;, which unfortunately is all the info I have about the fix for these problems.</p>
<p>Its possible, even likely that these issues could just be &#8220;shot out&#8221; over time by running a lot of ammo thru them for an extended break in period.  But the smith works at the place that sold them to me and does not charge for stuff we buy there (at least while it is still newish), and thats a lot cheaper than 1000 rounds of 380.</p>
<p>Now that it works, its a very, very good gun and highly recommended. Just be sure if you get one to get it working reliably before you carry it(as you would hopefully do with any new gun that you trust your life to).</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update again:

Gunsmith did something to mine, but was not clear what, and I did not get a chance to talk to him, he left it for pickup with a short note that he fixed it.  It ate 25 rounds and only had 1 lock-open, and that was at the end (was something hot, slightly expanded??). 

Meanwhile the other sig ate the other 25 rounds in the box with my wife shooting it, and 4 times her hammer went to &quot;half c0cked&quot; when she tried to fire it.  This is the gun that had performed flawlessly before.  You can half-ck these guns by holding the hammer, hit the trigger, release trigger, and slowly lower the hammer with your thumb.  I am not aware that this serves any useful purpose apart from changing the position of stuff during cleaning, but if you want to understand what I mean, this method will demonstrate where the hammer stopped when she tried to fire it.  PRACTICE PROPER SAFETY IF YOU DO THIS, ONLY LOWER THE HAMMER MANUALLY AFTER FULL INSPECTION TO ENSURE UNLOADED AND EVEN THEN POINT IT IN A SAFE DIRECTION. 

Its still a great little gun, but they need to do some serious quality checks. My guess is that its small size makes it need more precise fit of the internal parts, and that slightly irregular parts are causing a number of odd things to happen for some buyers. 

I will keep at it for a bit longer, to see if these things are caused by break-in period or something, but I am starting to distrust it as a personal defense weapon -- which is what it is designed for.  It needs to shoot properly every single time, and so far, with 2 examples, it does not do that. 

More info as I have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update again:</p>
<p>Gunsmith did something to mine, but was not clear what, and I did not get a chance to talk to him, he left it for pickup with a short note that he fixed it.  It ate 25 rounds and only had 1 lock-open, and that was at the end (was something hot, slightly expanded??). </p>
<p>Meanwhile the other sig ate the other 25 rounds in the box with my wife shooting it, and 4 times her hammer went to &#8220;half c0cked&#8221; when she tried to fire it.  This is the gun that had performed flawlessly before.  You can half-ck these guns by holding the hammer, hit the trigger, release trigger, and slowly lower the hammer with your thumb.  I am not aware that this serves any useful purpose apart from changing the position of stuff during cleaning, but if you want to understand what I mean, this method will demonstrate where the hammer stopped when she tried to fire it.  PRACTICE PROPER SAFETY IF YOU DO THIS, ONLY LOWER THE HAMMER MANUALLY AFTER FULL INSPECTION TO ENSURE UNLOADED AND EVEN THEN POINT IT IN A SAFE DIRECTION. </p>
<p>Its still a great little gun, but they need to do some serious quality checks. My guess is that its small size makes it need more precise fit of the internal parts, and that slightly irregular parts are causing a number of odd things to happen for some buyers. </p>
<p>I will keep at it for a bit longer, to see if these things are caused by break-in period or something, but I am starting to distrust it as a personal defense weapon &#8212; which is what it is designed for.  It needs to shoot properly every single time, and so far, with 2 examples, it does not do that. </p>
<p>More info as I have it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike (again)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike (again)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Generally excellent pocket gun built like a rock. Minimal recoil. Accurate.
I have had some problems before and am beginning to think it is ammo related.
Today using Winchester 95 gr FMJ there were 4 failures to feed and 2 failures to eject for 50 rounds.
Using Lellier &amp; Bellot 92gr. FMJ, 50 rounds went smooth as glass as did 7 Hornady HPs.
I am pleased with the quality of construction and am beginning to trust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally excellent pocket gun built like a rock. Minimal recoil. Accurate.<br />
I have had some problems before and am beginning to think it is ammo related.<br />
Today using Winchester 95 gr FMJ there were 4 failures to feed and 2 failures to eject for 50 rounds.<br />
Using Lellier &amp; Bellot 92gr. FMJ, 50 rounds went smooth as glass as did 7 Hornady HPs.<br />
I am pleased with the quality of construction and am beginning to trust.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

Thanks for posting an update.  I think we all benefit when we get follow ups from people who have run into problems like you have.  

I&#039;ve seen the shooter-induced problem like Sig described to you, so they weren&#039;t feeding you a line on that.  But, it is obvious you have another problem that will have to be fixed at the factory.

My experiences with Sig&#039;s customer service have always exceeded my expectations, and I hope you get the same treatment.

Let us know how it all works out.

-Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>Thanks for posting an update.  I think we all benefit when we get follow ups from people who have run into problems like you have.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen the shooter-induced problem like Sig described to you, so they weren&#8217;t feeding you a line on that.  But, it is obvious you have another problem that will have to be fixed at the factory.</p>
<p>My experiences with Sig&#8217;s customer service have always exceeded my expectations, and I hope you get the same treatment.</p>
<p>Let us know how it all works out.</p>
<p>-Richard</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update: Sig claims that the shooter can cause this problem, the small grip leads to the shooter hitting the slide stop with their thumb, causing it to stay open. 

This is not my problem, as they asked me to shoot it left handed (so the thumb is on the other side, unable to hit the slide stop) and it still does it.  I have also shot another one and it does not stay open -- its not the shooter.   I also swapped the clips and nothing changed, the other gun works, mine does not.

Its at the gunsmith now, and if he cannot figure it out, back to sig it goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update: Sig claims that the shooter can cause this problem, the small grip leads to the shooter hitting the slide stop with their thumb, causing it to stay open. </p>
<p>This is not my problem, as they asked me to shoot it left handed (so the thumb is on the other side, unable to hit the slide stop) and it still does it.  I have also shot another one and it does not stay open &#8212; its not the shooter.   I also swapped the clips and nothing changed, the other gun works, mine does not.</p>
<p>Its at the gunsmith now, and if he cannot figure it out, back to sig it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 19:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got a new one in trade.  I am having an issue where it likes to stay open with rounds still in the mag, the cheap target ammo may be the issue here (it seems to have a large bullet).  It seems like the shells in the mag are just big enough to touch the inside of the slide stop, making it stick open.   I am going to seek out some different ammo if this keeps up, but anyone else had this sort of problem?

Other than that, its very very good.  Fits behind my wallet totally invisible.  One handed, I can stack all the shots shooting 1 handed in a 1.5-2 inch group at combat range (10-15 feet) and at longer ranges its quite accurate (using a 2h grip at 50 feet, I can keep it in a 3 inch group).  The recoil is very, very light: I have shot a .25 that had 4 times the recoil in a similar sized gun.  

Anyone have a recommendation for a pinky grip? I was looking at a rubber foot made by kel-tec for their 380 pistol, (only $7), which I think I can make work, but suggestions are welcome.  I would like to keep it small, so I am not looking for a 7-8 shot mag extension, just the grip so 1h shooting is a little easier, and better still would be not having to buy a $30 mag if there is a foot that I can add on to my current clip instead for $10 or so (its not the money: if the best option is a $50 mag, I will do that, but if $10 can get me the same result, saving money is always good!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got a new one in trade.  I am having an issue where it likes to stay open with rounds still in the mag, the cheap target ammo may be the issue here (it seems to have a large bullet).  It seems like the shells in the mag are just big enough to touch the inside of the slide stop, making it stick open.   I am going to seek out some different ammo if this keeps up, but anyone else had this sort of problem?</p>
<p>Other than that, its very very good.  Fits behind my wallet totally invisible.  One handed, I can stack all the shots shooting 1 handed in a 1.5-2 inch group at combat range (10-15 feet) and at longer ranges its quite accurate (using a 2h grip at 50 feet, I can keep it in a 3 inch group).  The recoil is very, very light: I have shot a .25 that had 4 times the recoil in a similar sized gun.  </p>
<p>Anyone have a recommendation for a pinky grip? I was looking at a rubber foot made by kel-tec for their 380 pistol, (only $7), which I think I can make work, but suggestions are welcome.  I would like to keep it small, so I am not looking for a 7-8 shot mag extension, just the grip so 1h shooting is a little easier, and better still would be not having to buy a $30 mag if there is a foot that I can add on to my current clip instead for $10 or so (its not the money: if the best option is a $50 mag, I will do that, but if $10 can get me the same result, saving money is always good!).</p>
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		<title>By: Nat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 01:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently purchased the Sig Sauer P238 HD from Merchant Firearms in Phoenix for $510!!  with shipping ($25) and FFL fees ($35) it came out to total price of $570!  I had the gun within 4 days....very happy with the purchase.  I have been looking for about a month and this is by far the cheapest that I have been able to find both on the net and locally.  

It is heavier than I remember of the gun I borrowed at the firing range.  With that said, it feels solid in my hand.  The night sight is absolutely awesome.  The only issue I have with this gun/Sig is that it does not come with a holster like the other models.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently purchased the Sig Sauer P238 HD from Merchant Firearms in Phoenix for $510!!  with shipping ($25) and FFL fees ($35) it came out to total price of $570!  I had the gun within 4 days&#8230;.very happy with the purchase.  I have been looking for about a month and this is by far the cheapest that I have been able to find both on the net and locally.  </p>
<p>It is heavier than I remember of the gun I borrowed at the firing range.  With that said, it feels solid in my hand.  The night sight is absolutely awesome.  The only issue I have with this gun/Sig is that it does not come with a holster like the other models.</p>
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