Comments on: Sig Sauer P232 Pistols: Updated for 2009 http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/ Guns Holsters and Gear provides comprehensive news & reviews on firearms, gun gear and holsters Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:38:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Sig Owner http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/#comment-19156 Sig Owner Fri, 22 Apr 2011 21:50:07 +0000 http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/#comment-19156 In 2009 the Sig factory eliminated the cartridge recess in the breech face, so the entire ejection process depended upon the extractor flipping the empty bullet out. What happens is the gun fires, the slide retracts, the casing flops in the mag well, the slide picks up a fresh round, and you have a double feed jam. Because tha gun has no slide lock, it's a super dangerous jam to clear. In 2009 the Sig factory eliminated the cartridge recess in the breech face, so the entire ejection process depended upon the extractor flipping the empty bullet out. What happens is the gun fires, the slide retracts, the casing flops in the mag well, the slide picks up a fresh round, and you have a double feed jam.

Because tha gun has no slide lock, it’s a super dangerous jam to clear.

]]> By: chris http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/#comment-18634 chris Sun, 27 Mar 2011 01:34:56 +0000 http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/#comment-18634 i bought my first p232 in 2006,i have had a gun lic.since 1980,but of all the guns i have owned. the p232 has proven to be the best personal defense civilian handgun i have owned.it,s a straight shooter never has jammed,and is light for carry.the best thing about this gun is that one in the chamber in decock,is just like carrying a revolver cause you have to go through the double action phase for the first round,unless you cock the hammer manualy.sig p232 is more than enough power for civilian use from spring to fall seasons,winter time more clothes are added on to a persons body,then penetration becomes an issue then it,s time for 38+p or 9mm etc.i live on a tropical island so 380 is good for me year round.stay safe and out of harms way.but above all practice as much as time and cash will permit. i bought my first p232 in 2006,i have had a gun lic.since 1980,but of all the guns i have owned. the p232 has proven to be the best personal defense civilian handgun i have owned.it,s a straight shooter never has jammed,and is light for carry.the best thing about this gun is that one in the chamber in decock,is just like carrying a revolver cause you have to go through the double action phase for the first round,unless you cock the hammer manualy.sig p232 is more than enough power for civilian use from spring to fall seasons,winter time more clothes are added on to a persons body,then penetration becomes an issue then it,s time for 38+p or 9mm etc.i live on a tropical island so 380 is good for me year round.stay safe and out of harms way.but above all practice as much as time and cash will permit.

]]> By: Richard http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/#comment-5352 Richard Sun, 14 Nov 2010 00:54:56 +0000 http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/#comment-5352 Well, I'm not a fan of the 432 because it was chambered in .32 H&R Magnum, which is underpowered for self defense. But, any gun is better than no gun. I own a <a href="http://gunsforsale.com/smith-wesson-642-38special-stainless-163810" rel="nofollow">S&W 642</a>, and really like it. I've carried it for more than 15 years both as a back-up as a police officer, and concealed as an armed citizen. For being a small, lightweight revolver, chambered in a decent (not great) caliber (.38 Special), it fills a specific purpose for me. Given a choice, it is never my primary carry gun, though. Both the 442 (functionally identical to the 642) and the 642 are good quality and are relatively lightweight. Neither the 642 or the 442 are fun to shoot. Due to their light weight, both have fairly sharp recoil. I highly suggest trying one before buying one. The Colt you have now probably does not recoil nearly as much. If I recall correctly, the Detective Special was a steel framed gun, while these are aluminum. The weight helps absorb the recoil. If you are looking for just something light, take a look at the Ruger LCP. It is a reliable little .380 ACP pistol. I don't normally suggest .380 for self defense, but depending on your needs, it may fit the bill. Carrying a semi-auto pistol without a round in the chamber is a bad idea. In a violent encounter, you will not have time to chamber a round. I've been in more than a few violent encounters and they happen very, very fast. You will be lucky to get your gun out. Chambering a round on top of that is virtually impossible. Semi-auto handguns are designed to be carried with a round in the chamber, as are most revolvers. If I may suggest, find a firearms trainer in your area, and pay for a few lessons. He or she should have several different firearms commonly used for concealed carry, and ask them to bring them along to the range. Feeling the different guns may give you a better idea on what feels good in your hand, and what they all weigh. If you have problems finding someone in your area, drop me a note (admin@gunsholstersandgear.com) and I'll see if there is anyone I can suggest. Good luck! Richard Well, I’m not a fan of the 432 because it was chambered in .32 H&R Magnum, which is underpowered for self defense. But, any gun is better than no gun.

I own a S&W 642, and really like it. I’ve carried it for more than 15 years both as a back-up as a police officer, and concealed as an armed citizen. For being a small, lightweight revolver, chambered in a decent (not great) caliber (.38 Special), it fills a specific purpose for me. Given a choice, it is never my primary carry gun, though. Both the 442 (functionally identical to the 642) and the 642 are good quality and are relatively lightweight.

Neither the 642 or the 442 are fun to shoot. Due to their light weight, both have fairly sharp recoil. I highly suggest trying one before buying one. The Colt you have now probably does not recoil nearly as much. If I recall correctly, the Detective Special was a steel framed gun, while these are aluminum. The weight helps absorb the recoil.

If you are looking for just something light, take a look at the Ruger LCP. It is a reliable little .380 ACP pistol. I don’t normally suggest .380 for self defense, but depending on your needs, it may fit the bill.

Carrying a semi-auto pistol without a round in the chamber is a bad idea. In a violent encounter, you will not have time to chamber a round. I’ve been in more than a few violent encounters and they happen very, very fast. You will be lucky to get your gun out. Chambering a round on top of that is virtually impossible.

Semi-auto handguns are designed to be carried with a round in the chamber, as are most revolvers.

If I may suggest, find a firearms trainer in your area, and pay for a few lessons. He or she should have several different firearms commonly used for concealed carry, and ask them to bring them along to the range. Feeling the different guns may give you a better idea on what feels good in your hand, and what they all weigh. If you have problems finding someone in your area, drop me a note (admin@gunsholstersandgear.com) and I’ll see if there is anyone I can suggest.

Good luck!

Richard

]]> By: Mercy http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/#comment-5350 Mercy Sun, 14 Nov 2010 00:03:20 +0000 http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/#comment-5350 I'm looking for a good, reliable defense weapon. My Colt .38 Det. Spec. is fine but far too heavy to carry. My .380 was a cheap gun, developed jamming issues at the range, NOT reliable, NOT a weapon I could trust, I scrapped it (actually surrendered it to local Sheriff office for destruction). Pistol might not be the weapon of choice given its intended use: if I have to chamber a cartridge, I lose time. At home, not a problem; where I live, highly unlikely I will ever need it for defense outdoors (HOPEFULLY!), BUT I will not carry a pistol with a cartridge already chambered. IMO, the revolver (even without safety) is far less likely to discharge unless it's intended (or someone is negligent). Today I found an internet site that discussed defense weapons for women (specifically). This site recommended: Hammerless S&W 432PD Magnum Airweight S&W Centennial 442 Airweight or 642 CT These both appear similar to what I already own. I'm wondering if you know what the difference might be (weight wise?? perhaps). THANKS. I’m looking for a good, reliable defense weapon. My Colt .38 Det. Spec. is fine but far too heavy to carry. My .380 was a cheap gun, developed jamming issues at the range, NOT reliable, NOT a weapon I could trust, I scrapped it (actually surrendered it to local Sheriff office for destruction). Pistol might not be the weapon of choice given its intended use: if I have to chamber a cartridge, I lose time. At home, not a problem; where I live, highly unlikely I will ever need it for defense outdoors (HOPEFULLY!), BUT I will not carry a pistol with a cartridge already chambered. IMO, the revolver (even without safety) is far less likely to discharge unless it’s intended (or someone is negligent). Today I found an internet site that discussed defense weapons for women (specifically). This site recommended:
Hammerless S&W 432PD Magnum Airweight
S&W Centennial 442 Airweight or 642 CT

These both appear similar to what I already own. I’m wondering if you know what the difference might be (weight wise?? perhaps). THANKS.

]]> By: Richard http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/#comment-5349 Richard Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:44:09 +0000 http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/#comment-5349 Hi Mercy, Thanks for posting! Do you have a range in your area that rents guns? It would definitely be worth the money to rent a few and shoot them prior to purchase. Another option is to find a friend or neighbor who has some different guns to go shoot. The Sig P232 is a fine weapon, and if you like it, go for it. There are a lot of other quality firearms out there that you may like as well. The Smith & Wesson M&P9c is a compact 9mm pistol with interchangeable backstraps to custom fit your hand. If you are looking for a thin, single-stack pistol, take a look at the Kahr line, like the CW9. Good luck! -Richard Hi Mercy,

Thanks for posting! Do you have a range in your area that rents guns? It would definitely be worth the money to rent a few and shoot them prior to purchase. Another option is to find a friend or neighbor who has some different guns to go shoot.

The Sig P232 is a fine weapon, and if you like it, go for it. There are a lot of other quality firearms out there that you may like as well. The Smith & Wesson M&P9c is a compact 9mm pistol with interchangeable backstraps to custom fit your hand. If you are looking for a thin, single-stack pistol, take a look at the Kahr line, like the CW9.

Good luck!

-Richard

]]> By: Mercy http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/#comment-5347 Mercy Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:47:12 +0000 http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/#comment-5347 For Paul Chaunka (and anyone else who has an experienced opinion): I am about to purchase a P232, I am a woman (petite). I presently own two handguns (with carry permit) and want to replace my Det. Special with another semi-automatic (sold mine six years ago). Last .380 DID bite my hand, so you think the P232 is not a good choice?? Can you suggest anything else? It's a big deal selling/buying a weapon (tons of paperwork lol), don't want to make a mistake! THANKS. For Paul Chaunka (and anyone else who has an experienced opinion): I am about to purchase a P232, I am a woman (petite). I presently own two handguns (with carry permit) and want to replace my Det. Special with another semi-automatic (sold mine six years ago). Last .380 DID bite my hand, so you think the P232 is not a good choice?? Can you suggest anything else? It’s a big deal selling/buying a weapon (tons of paperwork lol), don’t want to make a mistake! THANKS.

]]> By: Malcolm http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/#comment-4652 Malcolm Sun, 15 Aug 2010 04:36:51 +0000 http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/#comment-4652 J. Daniel, I have a 230 - my hands are large, slide bite gets to be painful - wish I had a 232. My 230 has a very strong trigger pull (an SA/DA); before you buy, go to a gun store and dry fire it. Then, try to imagine firing a DAO for 50+ rounds. Good luck. J. Daniel,

I have a 230 – my hands are large, slide bite gets to be painful – wish I had a 232. My 230 has a very strong trigger pull (an SA/DA); before you buy, go to a gun store and dry fire it. Then, try to imagine firing a DAO for 50+ rounds. Good luck.

]]> By: J. Daniel http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/#comment-4609 J. Daniel Sun, 08 Aug 2010 11:43:34 +0000 http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/#comment-4609 Oops, meant the sig 232; same question. Oops, meant the sig 232; same question.

]]> By: J. Daniel http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/#comment-4608 J. Daniel Sun, 08 Aug 2010 11:42:11 +0000 http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/#comment-4608 Looking at buying the sig 230. Should I consider the DA/SA or the DAO? Looking at buying the sig 230. Should I consider the DA/SA or the DAO?

]]> By: paul chaunka http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/#comment-4539 paul chaunka Fri, 23 Jul 2010 22:25:14 +0000 http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/29/sig-sauer-p232-pistols-updated-for-2009/#comment-4539 women, and many men should not buy the p232 especially in stainless. the barrel is fixed which means the slide return spring is very strong. for most men it is very difficult to pull the slide back against this return spring. for most women, it is almost impossible. the stainless is significantly heavier than the blued, so recoil is reduced, but the blued slide is easier to grab. still, i own and shoot my 232 all the time and it is my primary backup. it never fails to fire for any reason. mine is stainless and made in germany to a quality that the american sigs don't achieve unless you buy them from sig's custom shop. training with the slide release is mandatory if you aren't used to a bottom release. this gun is not for everyone and i would not recommend it to anyone but a pro. that said, it is my favorite backup weapon, period. women, and many men should not buy the p232 especially in stainless. the barrel is fixed which means the slide return spring is very strong. for most men it is very difficult to pull the slide back against this return spring. for most women, it is almost impossible. the stainless is significantly heavier than the blued, so recoil is reduced, but the blued slide is easier to grab. still, i own and shoot my 232 all the time and it is my primary backup. it never fails to fire for any reason. mine is stainless and made in germany to a quality that the american sigs don’t achieve unless you buy them from sig’s custom shop. training with the slide release is mandatory if you aren’t used to a bottom release. this gun is not for everyone and i would not recommend it to anyone but a pro. that said, it is my favorite backup weapon, period.

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